Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Music Awards

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World Music Awards

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Non-notable music award. Sources are all WP:PRIMARY, and no secondary sourcing seems to exist beyond "X performed at the World Music Awards". The 2014 list does seem to have a bit more robust sourcing, but it all centers on the event that caused the ceremony to be canceled and/or is just press releases about the artists attending. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Lists. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep World Music Awards, selectively merge all annual articles into the main. These are awards with decent exposure over the years that is clearly NOT sufficient for the annual articles. Only very important competitions should have annual articles! Nomination fails WP:BEFORE and WP:NEXIST, as it looks at references, not at potential sources. For example, it is true (though completely irrelevant) that all the references in the main are primary. It then suggests going from one extreme (having all these annual articles) to the other extreme (deleting the main). It would make more sense to transfer some content and references from the annual articles to the main, culminating in the right amount of references, content, and coverage for Enwiki. Although my analysis is based on the coverage, not on the situation elsewhere, still, looking across Wikipedia: 29 WPs have the main, only 4 have (some) of the annual articles.gidonb (talk) 03:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't found any sources that aren't some variant of "X performed at the World Music Awards" boilerplate PR. Did you find something I didn't? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's entertainment. The people who host, sing, win, editions that get canceled for Corona, that's a huge part of the operations and the most interesting for the press. I would not watch it unless I get paid. Not the the Emmys or Oscars either, and definitely not pageants or wrestling shows. I do not have a tv at home. Well, I do have the screen so I can watch a movie once in a while and I zap a bit in hotels. I'm a WP editor and do not judge articles by WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONOTLIKEIT but by our policies and guidelines. gidonb (talk) 03:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going off WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I'm going off WP:GNG which says,

For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent

. Everything I could find was a press release or similar form of PR originating from the artist or their promo team. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:59, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, the 2014 edition has some good coverage. gidonb (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still feel it fails WP:NOTNEWS as the incident at the 2014 awards is the only time the entire ceremony seems to have gotten any more than the most superficial of coverage Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTNEWS only applies to the annual articles. World Music Awards takes the long view of the awards and events. It will do so even more if my suggestions are followed. You do not have to like this kind of entertainment to support keeping the main. In any case, it's not my kind of entertainment. gidonb (talk) 12:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If literally 100% of the coverage of the event focuses on the 2014 incarnation, that does not automatically make the rest of the ceremonies notable on their own. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed and that's a perfect argument for my position: the annual events are not notable enough for their own articles and we should only take the long view with the SIGCOV that we have. gidonb (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep' We've WP:BADCHARTed their horrible current-day charts and at this point they're more of a music blog than actually awarding anything, but they've had notable ceremonies with notable people appearing to accept their trophies or perform in the past. N doesn't expire for the past ceremonies, though I do agree especially as someone who had prevent the 2014 article from becoming an ADVERT to scrub the chaos of not airing on NBC that their nomination and balloting criteria since 2000 have been so unclear that it's hard to track down, or that they even still hold a connection with the Monacan monarchy at this point. Nate • (chatter) 19:48, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/keep per Gidonb. Stifle (talk) 14:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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