Is Shingeki no Kyojin really that original?

ilovewendy16 said:
to be honest, i do understand why you say Snk is cathartic. When i first watched it, i thought it was the best shit i had ever seen. I enjoyed every single part, every single second of it. When someone was being eaten i was either indifferent to their situation or actually enjoyed watching it because i would imprint onto that character someone whom i may have been mad at and enjoy seeing the bastard get ripped to shit. I got to see my darkest fantasies animated before me and took comfort in the fact that other people enjoyed it too. it was a relief to see that i was not the only one to enjoy seeing such depravity, and being able to release and/or amplify negative and hateful emotions. Over the past few years i have changed my outlook on life. Before, i didn't care about people or their problems, and if they didn't mean anything to me, i could watch someone die and not bat an eye. However, now, because of gaining maturity and being influenced by various sources(mostly anime believe it or not) i have come to understand the importance of life. Everyone has feelings, everyone means something to someone, everyone makes a difference in this world weather it be good or bad, big or small, or both. Everyone has their reasons as to why they do the things that they do, everyone has a sad backstory, and shit they have been through. once one can understand this much, one doesn't become mad at people as easily, and rather tries to understand the feelings of someone else. Rather than imagining some dark fantasy of murder you try to help them. Now looking back at the person i once was i feel nothing but disgust. That dude in the background that just got stepped on by a titan could have had a family. I can only imagine some poor little girl crying because her father is missing, or a woman depressed because her husband was dead. Or that random woman a titan just ate, she could have been the girlfriend of someone, and how do you think that someone would feel if he saw her get eaten. Or the countless childern whose futures where taken from them by senseless giants. Just thinking of such things is heartwrenching, and every single time i see a single person die, whether it be in SnK or anything else these are the things i think of. The pain of a lost life is is the worst pain in the world, and i feel it for every single person who dies, weather they be fictional or real. I understand why people like to see graphic violence, because i once felt the same way myself, and that is exactly why i am so against it. It does nothing but breed hatred and violent thoughts, weather the violence is the reason someone likes a particular show or not, if graphic violence exists within said show, it contaminates ones soul.

zellami said:


Of course you fail to see, this is why.

If you want to know how I felt, please go read my posts. Care comes with price, as life does.

zellami said:


Of course you fail to see, this is why.

If you want to know how I felt, please go read my posts. Care comes with price, as life does.

On_the_Lam said:

Each and every human life on this planet is pointless, no matter how much we succeed during our lifetime.

This series was made for entertainment purposes only. That's the main purpose of everything that exists today in our current society. You go out to get entertained, you spend time in front of your computer to get entertained, you talk to a person to get entertained and will most likely avoid those people who you feel are boring. But do you care if those people have feelings too? Most likely not.

Although you may think you're a better person now, I believe it's the complete opposite. You haven't changed, you've simply been brainwashed by whoever or whatever it may have been. If you're religious, I blame that. Religion isn't real, ethics aren't real. You're simply born in some place and are bound to rules you don't understand at first, and will most likely not ask any questions later; and then you die.

It doesn't matter how peaceful you may think you are, it's not going to help cleanse our sins. But what exactly is a sin? Everything that makes us human. Pride, wrath, greed, envy, lust, sloth and gluttony are all human traits, but also prominent in the animal kingdom. Do animals get punished for their sins, though?

Only life and death are real. Whatever happens in the middle, whether you were a good person or not throughout your entire life, you're still going to die like everyone else.

Whether you like Shingeki no Kyojin or not, you're still going to die like everyone else.

ilovewendy16 said:
i read over 100 of your posts, however, i still can't see how a show like SnK could be cathartic. Could you please explain this to me directly.

ilovewendy16 said:
i read over 100 of your posts, however, i still can't see how a show like SnK could be cathartic. Could you please explain this to me directly.

zellami said:


Keep reading.

And while you are at it, differentiate things a bit. Your claims on violence being shown in entertainment media are so general, that are ridiculous. The purpose of showing violence isn't to teach people how to be violent, but actually to it put in a context where violence to be rethought in the light of the consequences of residing to or using it.

For example, in Shingeki the Central government mistreated refugees after the fall of Wall Maria and sent them back to retake it, which lead to the demise of 250 000 people - a third of the population within the Walls. Violence used is minor or non-existent, yet it exist in the story. Going by your logic it also should not exist, be it on screen or not.

Likewise, if you are flying against a 10 meter voracious creature, the chance of being killed is much higher than if you aren't. The consequences of the two should be different - you lose limbs and/or life in the first case and should be OK in the second. Anime usually forgets that the first comes with death and people in real life forger there will be circumstances where their personal non-involvement in violence has nothing to do when violence reaches them. So, here some thoughts to ponder about.

I forgot something to add:

zellami said:


Keep reading.

And while you are at it, differentiate things a bit. Your claims on violence being shown in entertainment media are so general, that are ridiculous. The purpose of showing violence isn't to teach people how to be violent, but actually to it put in a context where violence to be rethought in the light of the consequences of residing to or using it.

For example, in Shingeki the Central government mistreated refugees after the fall of Wall Maria and sent them back to retake it, which lead to the demise of 250 000 people - a third of the population within the Walls. Violence used is minor or non-existent, yet it exist in the story. Going by your logic it also should not exist, be it on screen or not.

Likewise, if you are flying against a 10 meter voracious creature, the chance of being killed is much higher than if you aren't. The consequences of the two should be different - you lose limbs and/or life in the first case and should be OK in the second. Anime usually forgets that the first comes with death and people in real life forger there will be circumstances where their personal non-involvement in violence has nothing to do when violence reaches them. So, here some thoughts to ponder about.

I forgot something to add:

ilovewendy16 said:
to be honest, i do understand why you say Snk is cathartic. When i first watched it, i thought it was the best shit i had ever seen. I enjoyed every single part, every single second of it. When someone was being eaten i was either indifferent to their situation or actually enjoyed watching it because i would imprint onto that character someone whom i may have been mad at and enjoy seeing the bastard get ripped to shit. I got to see my darkest fantasies animated before me and took comfort in the fact that other people enjoyed it too. it was a relief to see that i was not the only one to enjoy seeing such depravity, and being able to release and/or amplify negative and hateful emotions. Over the past few years i have changed my outlook on life. Before, i didn't care about people or their problems, and if they didn't mean anything to me, i could watch someone die and not bat an eye. However, now, because of gaining maturity and being influenced by various sources(mostly anime believe it or not) i have come to understand the importance of life. Everyone has feelings, everyone means something to someone, everyone makes a difference in this world weather it be good or bad, big or small, or both. Everyone has their reasons as to why they do the things that they do, everyone has a sad backstory, and shit they have been through. once one can understand this much, one doesn't become mad at people as easily, and rather tries to understand the feelings of someone else. Rather than imagining some dark fantasy of murder you try to help them. Now looking back at the person i once was i feel nothing but disgust. That dude in the background that just got stepped on by a titan could have had a family. I can only imagine some poor little girl crying because her father is missing, or a woman depressed because her husband was dead. Or that random woman a titan just ate, she could have been the girlfriend of someone, and how do you think that someone would feel if he saw her get eaten. Or the countless childern whose futures where taken from them by senseless giants. Just thinking of such things is heartwrenching, and every single time i see a single person die, whether it be in SnK or anything else these are the things i think of. The pain of a lost life is is the worst pain in the world, and i feel it for every single person who dies, weather they be fictional or real. I understand why people like to see graphic violence, because i once felt the same way myself, and that is exactly why i am so against it. It does nothing but breed hatred and violent thoughts, weather the violence is the reason someone likes a particular show or not, if graphic violence exists within said show, it contaminates ones soul.

On_the_Lam said:

Each and every human life on this planet is pointless, no matter how much we succeed during our lifetime.

This series was made for entertainment purposes only. That's the main purpose of everything that exists today in our current society. You go out to get entertained, you spend time in front of your computer to get entertained, you talk to a person to get entertained and will most likely avoid those people who you feel are boring. But do you care if those people have feelings too? Most likely not.

Although you may think you're a better person now, I believe it's the complete opposite. You haven't changed, you've simply been brainwashed by whoever or whatever it may have been. If you're religious, I blame that. Religion isn't real, ethics aren't real. You're simply born in some place and are bound to rules you don't understand at first, and will most likely not ask any questions later; and then you die.

It doesn't matter how peaceful you may think you are, it's not going to help cleanse our sins. But what exactly is a sin? Everything that makes us human. Pride, wrath, greed, envy, lust, sloth and gluttony are all human traits, but also prominent in the animal kingdom. Do animals get punished for their sins, though?

Only life and death are real. Whatever happens in the middle, whether you were a good person or not throughout your entire life, you're still going to die like everyone else.

Whether you like Shingeki no Kyojin or not, you're still going to die like everyone else.

SuperKirei said:
it was done so much better in earlier works. They'll never realize that though, because it's not a current "fad" and they just want to jump on what's cool in the moment.

Magnord said:

I want to know about these earlier works.
Please enlighten me! (It's not sarcastic I'm really interested)

SuperKirei said:

Go watch The Walking Dead